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Both countries are known elsewhere for being "expensive", but which is more expensive and in what areas?
And why is Japanese food in the UK so bloody expensive? I can get a wonderful meal at an Italian restaurant for a reasonable £7-8, but a meal of comparable quality and quantity would cost £15-20 at a Japanese restaurant!
And the nearest Korean restaurant is a ruddy 40 miles away in Glasgow (I live in Edinburgh). So add £9 for a return train ticket to the cost of the meal >_<!!
A little about myself:
I'm Chinese British. I was born here (down south in Kent to be exact) but I lived in Taiwan for the last 10 years, and I only returned (to Edinburgh) last September.
So what do I feel about prices in Edinburgh?
- Rent... fair enough, lower than what we paid in Taiwan.
- Food... Italian is reasonable, but Asian is too bloody expensive!! Asian food isn't supposed to be so expensive!!
- Everything else... not noticeably different from what I'm used to.
To goldlust74:
Well yes, you could compare Edinburgh prices with London prices...
But you could also compare Edinburgh with a smaller Japanese city like Kumamoto or Hiroshima!
Answer
Hello!
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Well ... it's hard to say for sure! As for rent, I don't know - we owned our own place in England, so it's not worth trying to compare rental costs now.
Food - European food, including BRITISH food! Is a LOT more expensive here. If you do price comparisons in ANY country, you'll find that if you get someone back 'home' to buy something for you, and mail it by surface mail, it costs about the same as the price in the shops. This is true of Japanese food in France as well as English & French food here. It's not so surprising - exporting goods costs money, and they need to make some profit ... but it's irritating to have to pay more than 700å for 125g of Marmite...!! (Can't help thinking of that, we need to buy more today! Hope they haven't put the price up...!)
Restaurants are a totally different matter though. I never go to 'posh' restaurants, so I am comparing the prices of average or family restaurants, but in almost ALL things Japan is a lot CHEAPER than the UK! The exceptions are pizzas, and McDonald's & KFC! All about the same price in both countries! Strange and suspicious...!! I find it very soothing to go to a buffet style Chinese restaurant in Yokohama's Chinatown, and pay anything from £7 - £10 p/p for a truly slap-up dinner ... yet in the UK anything of that price would be a truly awful selection! (I tried the cheapest buffet I could find in London's Chinatown once ... about £7 ... pretty revolting!) Also, in the UK it's generally about £5 for ONE dish from a Chinese take-away - but here in Japan I can get a set meal for that, with rice, soup, maybe dessert or gyouza! AND usually they refill your rice bowl for free!! In the UK you'd pay up to a couple of quid just for plain rice.
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Drinks - how much is a 360 ml can of fizzy drink from a vending machine in the UK now? Here it was still 120å last time I looked! 150å for most 500 ml PET bottles. The best drinks are from Saizeria when you eat there - the drink bar is 180å for people older than elementary school age, and 100å for kids! The selection is fairly varied too, including hot and cold drinks. That's the only CHEAP drink bar I know of though - the rest are more expensive! About 300å perhaps...?!
Food from shops & supermarkets is probably cheaper in the UK - in some cases by a lot, in other cases by a little. Obviously the Japanese foods are more expensive in the UK - and European style foods, like bread, cheese, milk, are more expensive here. A case of demand not being high enough to keep output high and prices low. That's also why Japanese restaurants are more expensive than Chinese restaurants in the UK - plus the fact that Chinese food isn't as limited and they can use the meat or veg that's cheapest at the market! Japanese restaurants sell mostly high-end food - sashimi for example. You can't cut costs with stuff like that - not without killing people..! If more people were interested in Japanese food, the price would go down because they'd be able to import things in bulk - or even make (or brew) them in the UK. Plus they'd have specially trained fishermen to prepare freshly caught fish for sushi and sashimi, which would make it easier to get, and better quality, and more convenient ... but it's not likely to happen I'm afraid! Anyway, bulk buying = cheaper retail prices, and quick sales help keep prices down too, by reducing waste. So if people WANT the cost of sushi to go down, they have to get thousands more people to buy it, REGULARLY!
Travel ... it's a LOT cheaper here in Japan, which is just as well because having a car isn't really convenient!
Electrical goods are a little cheaper, but nowhere near enough to make it worth ordering something from another country and getting them to mail it to the UK!
International phone calls - more expensive if you use NTT, cheaper if you use G=call!
I won't waste my time comparing fuel bills or local taxes, because they tend to go up every year (especially in the UK!) and they vary from district to district too.
Hello!
8 )
Well ... it's hard to say for sure! As for rent, I don't know - we owned our own place in England, so it's not worth trying to compare rental costs now.
Food - European food, including BRITISH food! Is a LOT more expensive here. If you do price comparisons in ANY country, you'll find that if you get someone back 'home' to buy something for you, and mail it by surface mail, it costs about the same as the price in the shops. This is true of Japanese food in France as well as English & French food here. It's not so surprising - exporting goods costs money, and they need to make some profit ... but it's irritating to have to pay more than 700å for 125g of Marmite...!! (Can't help thinking of that, we need to buy more today! Hope they haven't put the price up...!)
Restaurants are a totally different matter though. I never go to 'posh' restaurants, so I am comparing the prices of average or family restaurants, but in almost ALL things Japan is a lot CHEAPER than the UK! The exceptions are pizzas, and McDonald's & KFC! All about the same price in both countries! Strange and suspicious...!! I find it very soothing to go to a buffet style Chinese restaurant in Yokohama's Chinatown, and pay anything from £7 - £10 p/p for a truly slap-up dinner ... yet in the UK anything of that price would be a truly awful selection! (I tried the cheapest buffet I could find in London's Chinatown once ... about £7 ... pretty revolting!) Also, in the UK it's generally about £5 for ONE dish from a Chinese take-away - but here in Japan I can get a set meal for that, with rice, soup, maybe dessert or gyouza! AND usually they refill your rice bowl for free!! In the UK you'd pay up to a couple of quid just for plain rice.
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Drinks - how much is a 360 ml can of fizzy drink from a vending machine in the UK now? Here it was still 120å last time I looked! 150å for most 500 ml PET bottles. The best drinks are from Saizeria when you eat there - the drink bar is 180å for people older than elementary school age, and 100å for kids! The selection is fairly varied too, including hot and cold drinks. That's the only CHEAP drink bar I know of though - the rest are more expensive! About 300å perhaps...?!
Food from shops & supermarkets is probably cheaper in the UK - in some cases by a lot, in other cases by a little. Obviously the Japanese foods are more expensive in the UK - and European style foods, like bread, cheese, milk, are more expensive here. A case of demand not being high enough to keep output high and prices low. That's also why Japanese restaurants are more expensive than Chinese restaurants in the UK - plus the fact that Chinese food isn't as limited and they can use the meat or veg that's cheapest at the market! Japanese restaurants sell mostly high-end food - sashimi for example. You can't cut costs with stuff like that - not without killing people..! If more people were interested in Japanese food, the price would go down because they'd be able to import things in bulk - or even make (or brew) them in the UK. Plus they'd have specially trained fishermen to prepare freshly caught fish for sushi and sashimi, which would make it easier to get, and better quality, and more convenient ... but it's not likely to happen I'm afraid! Anyway, bulk buying = cheaper retail prices, and quick sales help keep prices down too, by reducing waste. So if people WANT the cost of sushi to go down, they have to get thousands more people to buy it, REGULARLY!
Travel ... it's a LOT cheaper here in Japan, which is just as well because having a car isn't really convenient!
Electrical goods are a little cheaper, but nowhere near enough to make it worth ordering something from another country and getting them to mail it to the UK!
International phone calls - more expensive if you use NTT, cheaper if you use G=call!
I won't waste my time comparing fuel bills or local taxes, because they tend to go up every year (especially in the UK!) and they vary from district to district too.
What was Paris, France like during the 1920s?
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I'm writing a story and I'd like to set it in France during any year in the 1920's. The story's only going to take place throughout one year so I don't require a plethora of information, just a little bit regarding social classes, major places/ ideas for where to set the story (main part of story I'd like to take place on an estate, the rest would be a bustling place with a lot of stores and such), education, mannerisms/ how people were addressed- that kind of stuff. Or any information on books that would help me with the issue would be lovely :) Sorry if it's a dumb question...but I've never been anywhere but the state I live in >.< and I'd like the book to be as decent as possible...
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The best place to set the bustling part of the story would be Paris, which was the centre of culture, entertainment etc. Rrual areas would vary quite a bit depending on the region. Northern France is mostly quite flat for instance, but the centre and south of France is quite mountainous. Wine production is an important French industry, and there are many well known regions given to wine growing, like Bourdeaux for example.
Food has always been very important to the French, and the 20s would be no exception. In most places, even today, it is still usual for shops etc, to be shut for two hours while people go to enjoy a long, lesiurely lunch. Even quite young children are given watered wine with their dinner to accustom them to it. In the 20s, even patients in hospital would be given wine with their meals.
Everyone shakes hands when they meet, it isn't something you only do when meeting someone for the first time like it is in the Uk for instance. Friends shake hands every time they meet. And when you go into a shop, you always say 'Bonjour' (good morning) to the shopkeeper. Going into a shop and just asking for what you want without saying 'Bonjour' first is considered rude.
Formally, men are always addressed as 'Monsieur'. A single women is 'Mademoiselle' and a married woman is 'Madame', however, women above a certain age (about forty I think) are always addressed as 'Madame' whether they are married or single.
Some things in 20s France were very similar to things in 20s America and the UK for instance, as regards fashion, music, dance, etc. In fact, the distinctive fashions of the 20s were inspired by the French fashion designer Coco Chanel.
In 'The Cambridge Illustrated History of France' Colin Jones writes:
French women still did not have the vote (they didn't get it until 1944).Radicals and Socialists were opposed to votes for women because they thought that women would vote for the pro-church parties. Women were not made legal majors until 1938 - prior to this date a wife needed her husband's permission for acquiring a passport for example. Because of the worry about the falling population, in 1920 the sale of contraceptives was prohibiited. In the same year the state threw its support behind the celebration of Mother's Day and introduced state medals for fertility (bronze for mothers of five children, silver for those with eight, gold for those with ten).
The eight-hour day was secured in 1919, but rates of adult male disease and mortality remaind significantly worse in France than in countries with a similar economic and social structure, and social insurance measures stil lagged well behind the rest of Europe. Real wages in 1918 were nearly a fifth lower than they had been in 1914, and though they jerked upwards during the 1920s, they had returned to 1914 levels by 1930. On the land, too, the situation was far from good. The peasants had suffered a high proportion of war deaths. The continuing trickle of a rural exodus towards the towns highlighted the difficulties of the agrarina economy, but also the relative weakness of the demand for industrial labour.
French society was riven with social tensions. Radical change of any kind seemed frought with difficultuies and the cards remained heavily stacked in the favour of the social elite and gthe business classes. Movements of political provocation and subversive rejection of bourgeois values prospered in intellectual circles. In the art world notable examples were the Dada movement, which began during the war, and the surrealist movement, which developed out of it in the 1920s. The yearning for a new kind of society toook many participants in these movements towards left-wing politics. Others drifted into the ranks of the extreme right.
Male wartime mortality had spurred an increase in the numbers of independent women, with unmarried and widowed middle-class women now entering the labour force in large numbers. Three years after the war, 42 percent of adult women were still in gainful employment, and they comprised two-fifths of the total labour force.
Having ones hair cut short was held to proclaim a new spirit of independence in women. The sexual overtones of short hair, short skirts, and flat chests were endlessly debated. Cloche hats - sometimes likened to soldier's helmets - bold cosmetics and costume jewellery completed the effect.
French cinema had enjoyed a golden age prior to World War I, and it retained much of its vitality in the inter-war years. Cinema, radio, and gramaphone records spread more widely the cultural fads of the Parisian elites. jazz, for example, became a national phenomenon rather than the passing craze of the Parisian nightclub circuit: a dancer and singer like Josephine Baker could become a national star.
The best place to set the bustling part of the story would be Paris, which was the centre of culture, entertainment etc. Rrual areas would vary quite a bit depending on the region. Northern France is mostly quite flat for instance, but the centre and south of France is quite mountainous. Wine production is an important French industry, and there are many well known regions given to wine growing, like Bourdeaux for example.
Food has always been very important to the French, and the 20s would be no exception. In most places, even today, it is still usual for shops etc, to be shut for two hours while people go to enjoy a long, lesiurely lunch. Even quite young children are given watered wine with their dinner to accustom them to it. In the 20s, even patients in hospital would be given wine with their meals.
Everyone shakes hands when they meet, it isn't something you only do when meeting someone for the first time like it is in the Uk for instance. Friends shake hands every time they meet. And when you go into a shop, you always say 'Bonjour' (good morning) to the shopkeeper. Going into a shop and just asking for what you want without saying 'Bonjour' first is considered rude.
Formally, men are always addressed as 'Monsieur'. A single women is 'Mademoiselle' and a married woman is 'Madame', however, women above a certain age (about forty I think) are always addressed as 'Madame' whether they are married or single.
Some things in 20s France were very similar to things in 20s America and the UK for instance, as regards fashion, music, dance, etc. In fact, the distinctive fashions of the 20s were inspired by the French fashion designer Coco Chanel.
In 'The Cambridge Illustrated History of France' Colin Jones writes:
French women still did not have the vote (they didn't get it until 1944).Radicals and Socialists were opposed to votes for women because they thought that women would vote for the pro-church parties. Women were not made legal majors until 1938 - prior to this date a wife needed her husband's permission for acquiring a passport for example. Because of the worry about the falling population, in 1920 the sale of contraceptives was prohibiited. In the same year the state threw its support behind the celebration of Mother's Day and introduced state medals for fertility (bronze for mothers of five children, silver for those with eight, gold for those with ten).
The eight-hour day was secured in 1919, but rates of adult male disease and mortality remaind significantly worse in France than in countries with a similar economic and social structure, and social insurance measures stil lagged well behind the rest of Europe. Real wages in 1918 were nearly a fifth lower than they had been in 1914, and though they jerked upwards during the 1920s, they had returned to 1914 levels by 1930. On the land, too, the situation was far from good. The peasants had suffered a high proportion of war deaths. The continuing trickle of a rural exodus towards the towns highlighted the difficulties of the agrarina economy, but also the relative weakness of the demand for industrial labour.
French society was riven with social tensions. Radical change of any kind seemed frought with difficultuies and the cards remained heavily stacked in the favour of the social elite and gthe business classes. Movements of political provocation and subversive rejection of bourgeois values prospered in intellectual circles. In the art world notable examples were the Dada movement, which began during the war, and the surrealist movement, which developed out of it in the 1920s. The yearning for a new kind of society toook many participants in these movements towards left-wing politics. Others drifted into the ranks of the extreme right.
Male wartime mortality had spurred an increase in the numbers of independent women, with unmarried and widowed middle-class women now entering the labour force in large numbers. Three years after the war, 42 percent of adult women were still in gainful employment, and they comprised two-fifths of the total labour force.
Having ones hair cut short was held to proclaim a new spirit of independence in women. The sexual overtones of short hair, short skirts, and flat chests were endlessly debated. Cloche hats - sometimes likened to soldier's helmets - bold cosmetics and costume jewellery completed the effect.
French cinema had enjoyed a golden age prior to World War I, and it retained much of its vitality in the inter-war years. Cinema, radio, and gramaphone records spread more widely the cultural fads of the Parisian elites. jazz, for example, became a national phenomenon rather than the passing craze of the Parisian nightclub circuit: a dancer and singer like Josephine Baker could become a national star.
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